GMoromisato 15 hours ago

This is a classic example of a simple idea that no one had ever done before. The execution was complex, of course, and Andrew McCarthy is one of the most skilled astrophotographers. But once you get the idea, a number of people could have done it--but no one ever did.

Makes you wonder what other similar ideas are out there! You can bet McCarthy is already thinking some.

p.s.: My brush with celebrity is that I saw an Andrew McCarthy post on Quora when he was first getting started with astrophotography and gave him a few tips. Always important to remember that everyone was a beginner at one point: https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-pro-tips-for-astrophotog...

  • nullhole 11 hours ago

    I had an idea for survey planes once. During calibration, they fly grid patterns, basically like a hashmark (#), to get overlapping data for comparison.

    Doing that kind of flight at night (makes sense for lidar! not so much for photo..), against a clear sky with at least some stars, and stacking the resulting photos, would give you a grid pattern of green/red/white aircraft running lights in front of the heavens.

    • mxfh 38 minutes ago

      The overlapping pattern is! the flight pattern. The overlap is not some calibration artifact, it is the product for any sort of stereo evaluation.

    • pmontra 3 hours ago

      I happen to live at the crossing of two major flight lines, E-W and N-S, so I might actually attempt to do that. Maybe a lot of 1 tenth exposures could be enough. Trial and errors to get started, as usual.

  • mjamil 14 hours ago

    Your advice there is really valuable. Thanks for providing it. I've always wondered how to post-process my night images, and this is a really good guide for that.

    • GMoromisato 13 hours ago

      Glad it helped! I definitely encourage you to continue practicing post-processing. There is a lot of magic there, and it's fun too.

      • pdpi 11 hours ago

        Love that technique with splitting B&W and colour, doing processing on B&W, then recombining. It's incredibly obvious in hindsight, especially with how common it is in digital art to draw in B&W and colour "in post". A fun little egg of Columbus that I'll be having some fun with over the holidays. Thanks for the link!

  • ChrisMarshallNY 8 hours ago

    > a number of people could have done it--but no one ever did

    My personal definition of "genius," is someone who sees things from a different angle, and can express it in terms we can implement.

    It's not doing well on IQ tests; It's that ability to think "outside the box," and, crucially, to express that vision in terms that us normies can use.

    • jeswin 7 hours ago

      There are all types of geniuses. By confining its definition to selected variants of "outside the box", you've defined a new box in a different coordinate system.

      • fy20 6 hours ago

        I somewhat agree that this isn't the only definition of genius, but this is a pretty important one. If you look back at the most successful scientists, they were not just mad scientists with grand ideas, they were also able to explain their ideas in ways that other people could understand and believe it's correct science.

        Turning that back to HN. You may have an amazing startup idea, but you can't do it alone. You need to convince people to join your team, investors to give you funding and customers to buy your product. Yes, even scientists need to be good in sales.

      • ChrisMarshallNY 4 hours ago

        Well … I’m not a genius.

        I always did well in IQ tests, but I tend to look at things the way most folks do.

  • dylan604 10 hours ago

    > Makes you wonder what other similar ideas are out there!

    There are examples of planes silhouetting the sun or moon. There are examples of the ISS. There are examples of planets (Mercury/Venus) crossing the sun, not the moon (obviously). I think someone else mentioned rockets being captured too.

    People have also done similar with the moons of other planets. And of course that's how exoplanets have been discovered by looking the effects of a planet crossing between our line of sight of its host star.

  • BolexNOLA 11 hours ago

    What a fantastic little story ha I love this. I need to get back out and do some astrophotography myself… not that I’m nearly as good as either of you (even 7 years ago lol)

loloquwowndueo 2 days ago

> The silhouette of Brown is neatly demarcated against the bubbling surface of the Sun. His downward trajectory is perfectly framed between sunspots, active regions on the surface of the Sun that are slightly cooler than their surrounding areas. This is not just a pretty picture; it is truly a masterpiece

Excuse me while I go wash off the stench of AI-generated descriptions. The picture is very nice, though.

  • dylan604 13 hours ago

    it's from iflscience which I would be shocked if there were more than 10 humans working for that site. it is so heavily loaded with ads/tracking that it gives no indication of giving a shit about its readers. i saw several parts of the site not loading due to uBO. just to see what was missing, i disabled uBO and after refreshing was presented with a blocking popup that says "our site depends heavily on" blah blah with a link to how to disable the blocker for the site. however, that's how i got to the modal was by disabling the blocker. the site was more functional with it enabled.

    again, what would one expect from a site that has that feel of doing nothing than hoping to generate a viral headline just to infect those unfortunate to have actually followed the link

  • causal 14 hours ago

    > This is not just a ...

    Dead giveaway

    • JumpCrisscross 14 hours ago

      Kagi just launched an AI flagging feature. This is something HN needs.

      I don’t mind AI content. But I’m not going to read it carefully before commenting, and will double check it with real sources before changing my mind about anything.

      • squigz 12 hours ago

        Has AI content detection become at all competent?

        • Swenrekcah 12 hours ago

          I think we probably need to go the other way, a comment or article needs a ‘faceId’ check before submission to get human stamp.

          Of course that brings a whole another set of problems.

          • dylan604 10 hours ago

            Fine, I'll just set up a head made by some SFX type that looks real enough for camera work.

          • squigz 12 hours ago

            That sort of thing is trivial to bypass and is a massive privacy violation.

          • bethekidyouwant 11 hours ago

            “Encryption is easy — authentication is hard.”

        • codingdave 11 hours ago

          From what I have seen, AI can detect AI better than humans. Humans are bringing baggage into it and vilifying legit writing techniques just because AI uses them. The whole concept that AI was trained on human writing, therefore uses well-known and proven writing techniques, but that those techniques are not exclusive to AI is utterly lost on some people.

          The "dead giveaways" are not writing patterns, it is depth. AI will stay at a surface level when using argumentative writing patterns, whereas humans will add supporting information and connect the dots across sentences and paragraphs. It is the lack of connective language between thoughts and phrases that flag an AI.

      • TylerE 12 hours ago

        HN can't even get it's web front end out of the 90s or meet basic accessibility standards.

    • schiffern 13 hours ago

      AI-diom (n.) - an idiom which, while not exclusive to AI, is so frequent in AI output as to strongly suggest its use

    • BuyMyBitcoins 12 hours ago

      Let’s bump up the AI even more, instead of “dead giveaway” you should have used hence.

  • 1gn15 8 hours ago

    Who cares?

wincy 2 days ago

It’s a very cool picture. Andrew McCarthy sells prints of these and other astrophotography on his website[0] although they’re always limited run prints. I bought the one of the sun with a SpaceX rocket for a friend who is into astronomy.

As a sales strategy, making his photos limited edition is a fantastic way to put the pressure on to actually buy instead of thinking about making a purchase indefinitely, even if from a convenience standpoint it’s a little annoying. Looks like right now the 16”x20” edition is sold out, but other sizes are still available for about two days.

[0] https://cosmicbackground.io/pages/the-fall-of-icarus

  • mholt 2 days ago

    I get the whole scarcity thing -- and I've even asked Andrew about this -- because if I'm willing to give him my money after saving up for it, but it sells out first, wouldn't he make more money if he took mine then?

    But, I guess we just have to have an art budget with some money already set aside if we want to jump on opportunities when artists do this. I respect it, but yes it's a bit inconvenient.

    PS. The full, uncropped shot is even more incredible IMO: https://cosmicbackground.io/cdn/shop/files/Overhead_black_li...

    • pixl97 2 days ago

      >wouldn't he make more money if he took mine then?

      Marketing is far more complex then you're giving it credit for. Take the Factorio game, they don't have sales ever so the best time to buy the game is now. This both keeps people that buy things on sale even if they don't like it from getting it, and keeps other people that may wait for a sale and forget about it from not buying it now.

      The same is true for limited numbers. Some people may want it and put it in the cart, but never actually buy it because there is no strong binary motivator. This motivator can actually increase sales quickly and ensure you dont hold inventory for long periods of time.

      Also things are commonly bought in batches to reduce price. Your one painting later could either be much more expensive or require the artist to buy 50/100 units at once that risk becoming stuck inventory.

    • pbalau 2 days ago

      > because if I'm willing to give him my money after saving up for it, but it sells out first, wouldn't he make more money if he took mine then?

      If the piece sold out, he made his money.

    • kevin_thibedeau 14 hours ago

      It's the same situation with $1000 theater tickets. You aren't the market.

    • markdown 12 hours ago

      If I were him I would put out a limited edition at a fixed price like he currently does, but then add $X0? $X00? cumulatively to the price of each additional unit sold.

  • dahart 2 days ago

    > making his photos limited edition is a fantastic weay to put the pressure on to actually buy

    FWIW, limited edition printing is absolutely standard practice for working artists who use media that can be easily or mechanically replicated, including photographers, printers, and digital artists.

    The feeling of FOMO that it instills is indeed one reason, that benefits the artist, but the main reason limited editions are used is to add value to the art through scarcity, and this reason benefits you the buyer. People don’t want to be the first to find and buy something unique only to have it get so popular that all your friends and neighbors go buy the same thing, right?

    The story of uniqueness is important. There’s a very real perception that art that can be reproduced indefinitely and is always available is cheap and not really fine art. Limited editions prints are trying, even if half-heartedly, to compete with painters and sculptors who produce something unique every single time. I say half-heartedly as a digital artist who prints limited editions, not as an insult. There is a slight degree of having cake and eating too. Limited editions are usually sized near the estimated sales limit, or such that the artist can move on to selling other work without feeling like they lost a big opportunity.

    Limited edition print runs do lower the price of a print, but not as low as the cost of printing. If an artist does editions of size 1, they need to make enough money to live, and $90/print won’t do it if you only sell one. You can spread the profit across a run and give a group of people something for a low price instead of giving one person a high price.

    • LargeWu 15 hours ago

      If there's any difference between printmaking and photography, it's that printmaking requires one to physically print each item. There's a non-trivial amount of manual setup to do, and the process can take days.

      Photography can be printed basically on-demand owing to the nature of the medium.

      It doesn't mean that limited runs in photography are less valid, though. Once that print is editioned no reputable artist will just print more. (although there are ways around it, like different colorways) It definitely makes the item more "collectible".

      • dahart 8 hours ago

        Oh definitely, I agree, woodcut and digital art and photos, for example, are all wildly different media. I’d expect a woodcut to cost more than a photo, all else being equal, because it’s more physical - both making the plate, and setting up the print run - and generally closer to fine art.

        The economics of the limited edition part is still the same for printmaking though, right? The printmaker could choose to make a single print and then sell the plate, or destroy the plate, and it would be closer to sculpture - a one of a kind piece of art. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are one or two printmakers that do this and can sell a single print at a time for enough money to make a living. But I think it’s more common to do a limited edition run and sell multiple copies, same as photographers, no?

      • TylerE 12 hours ago

        A lot of modern prints aren't really made like that. They're just run off on (basically) nice commercial inkjets.

        Sure that's not exactly fine art, but there's a big market for it, including things like collectors. Virtually all concert posters are printed this way, for instance.

    • markdown 12 hours ago

      > You can spread the profit across a run and give a group of people something for a low price instead of giving one person a high price.

      Why not somewhere in between those options:

      For example (made up numbers), sell 100 units at $100 after which the price goes up by $10 for each additional sale. So the 100th unit would be $100, the 101st unit $110, the 200th unit $1100, and so on.

      • dahart 9 hours ago

        That’s an interesting concept. Can you talk more about how you imagine that affecting the market? My first reaction is that it wouldn’t solve the value problem at all. Yes you can charge more over time, and in practice it would actually limit how many you sell, but the problem is that the first buyer has no guarantee that the thing they buy is collectible, and thus a reduced incentive to buy. Every new sale devalues the original sale, even despite the low initial price. That might be offset by having lower prices for earlier buyers, but not limiting the edition size might also quietly eliminate the market for collectors.

        Your idea reminded me of something I’ve thought about trying. It’s not the same concept exactly, but I do digital art sometimes and I was thinking of selling it with copyrights and the generator program included, and allowing the buyer to do whatever they want with it, including sell copies. The thing I was thinking is that I’d start with a low price per piece, and increase the price slightly every time I sell one, so the prices of my pieces would ramp up over time, rather than the prices of prints in a single edition.

dahart 2 days ago

Is the full-sun photo edited to remove the paramotor? I just realized it was in the video shot - the head-down dive “tracking” position of the skydiver in the video happens only a few frames after jumping, only for a few frames, and after that he’s tumbling a bit against the sun, with the paramotor still visible. I’m guessing even if the video and still were two different cameras, they wouldn’t have been far enough apart to catch the skydiver without the paramotor?

  • cletusw 14 hours ago

    In the behind the scenes video the photographer makes an offhand comment that yes, he was going to take the silhouette of the skydiver (and maybe some of the immediate surroundings) and composite it with a mosaic of sun images taken around the same time (but without the paramotor present).

    • Springtime 8 hours ago

      I recall one of their earlier composites of the sun which was comprised of 90k (!) images and feel that's an acceptable approach to represent the detail and scope desired, yet with this skydiver shot I feel differently in that there is an original shot of the event that is an actual through-the-lens capture but it's not being used and instead the foreground element (the silhouette) is being masked and composited onto a much more detailed composite sun. It's effectively artwork now.

      Like if a photo of Philippe Petit's WTC wire walking were instead masked and replaced with separately shot towers—it'd represent the event but technically not the actual snapshot in time it occurred, which kind of reduces the connection with the interesting concept at least for me.

  • __atx__ a day ago

    Apparently it took multiple tries to get this right. It is possible that the video is from one of the earlier failed attempts.

    • bangaladore 13 hours ago

      On a Reddit thread somewhere, the OP mentioned the sun is taken as a mosaic, where the picture taken with just the person is a very small FOV which excludes the paramotor.

russdill 2 days ago

Watching the video, the difference between the actual frame captured and the manipulated stacked image that's being presented is quite stark.

cosmic_ape 3 hours ago

Tbh, do not quite get the excitement around this picture. It was staged, and the stunt doesn’t appear to be particularly complex. A lot of logistics, sure. But seems like all there is to it is that someone just bothered to do it. So not clear what’s the additional value over photoshop.

  • mvcosta91 12 minutes ago

    Try to reproduce it yourself, bro.

dazbradbury 15 hours ago

Be great to have the same shot but in front of the moon. Photos would make a stunning pair!

sswaner 7 hours ago

Perhaps just me still carrying some latent trauma, but the upside down, legs bent moment reminded me of a picture from 9/11. Not going to link to it.

dvh 15 hours ago

"what comes up must come down" -- Icarus

  • dotancohen 12 hours ago

    "That's not my department" said Wernher von Braun.

jstanley 2 days ago

Am I right in thinking he flew up there in a paramotor and then jumped off it? What happened to the paramotor? It just crashed in a random place you have no control over?

  • raddan 2 days ago

    According to the article there was a pilot in addition to a skydiver.

  • dahart 2 days ago

    There’s a video of the jump in the article. You can kinda see the pilot in the paramotor flying away, as the jumper leaves.

yzydserd 2 days ago

I sort of like it upside down, power of ra.

NetOpWibby 2 hours ago

Deus Ex: Human Revolution intensifies

almosthere 10 hours ago

I have to say, well done.

mistrial9 2 days ago

LOL - the deeper mythological meanings are quite applicable (!)

What meanings, a reader might ask? First to say, art and mythos can have layers of meanings..There is no "right answer" exactly. think for yourself a moment about "falling" "The Sun", "a son", endeavor, catastrophe, and add knowledge or fate as you see fit.